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Ethereum has forked and moved to a new chain. This sub is for the discussion of the Ethereum chain which didn't move the coins.
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Seven reasons to use OWNR Wallet for EOS

Seven reasons to use OWNR Wallet for EOS
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For those still questioning why use OWNR for EOS, we elaborated on it here: https://bit.ly/3gRa6zz

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On F-Droid apps and bitcoin donations

The recent post on FOSS android apps and how they can earn money made me curious about their bitcoin donations, so I slapped together a quick script, grabbed the donation addresses from the F-Droid metadata and queried their total received amount.
The result, sorted by total received and valued using some value of today (9366.36 EUR per BTC)

Package address total EUR
net.i2p.android.router 1BPdWwovytfGdBwUDVgqbMZ8omcPQzshpX 100.35295704 939941.92
net.i2p.android 1BPdWwovytfGdBwUDVgqbMZ8omcPQzshpX 100.35295704 939941.92
com.piratebayfree 1KeBs4HBQzkdHC2ou3gpyGHqcL7aKzwTve 76.80127006 719348.34
org.asnelt.derandom 1NZz4TGpJ1VL4Qmqw7aRAurASAT3Cq5S6s 60.84434648 569890.05
com.nononsenseapps.notepad 16DUL1X4yARfM88GN7TV6Y3wQwqrstJs7A 58.40632213 547054.64
ch.blinkenlights.android.vanilla 1adrianERDJusC4c8whyT81zAuiENEqub 52.62216723 492878.16
org.fdroid.fdroid.privileged.ota 15u8aAPK4jJ5N8wpWJ5gutAyyeHtKX5i18 52.00899644 487134.98
org.fdroid.fdroid.privileged 15u8aAPK4jJ5N8wpWJ5gutAyyeHtKX5i18 52.00899644 487134.98
org.fdroid.fdroid.ota 15u8aAPK4jJ5N8wpWJ5gutAyyeHtKX5i18 52.00899644 487134.98
org.fdroid.fdroid 15u8aAPK4jJ5N8wpWJ5gutAyyeHtKX5i18 52.00899644 487134.98
org.fdroid.basic 15u8aAPK4jJ5N8wpWJ5gutAyyeHtKX5i18 52.00899644 487134.98
de.k3b.android.lossless_jpg_crop 15u8aAPK4jJ5N8wpWJ5gutAyyeHtKX5i18 52.00899644 487134.98
org.calyxinstitute.vpn 14wntQ8cBdnhUVfYmDjXz6PbpSSX8nCtkr 17.65221369 165336.99
de.tutao.tutanota 3MDrR5gaMvL8sphuQLX6BvPPKYNArdXsv6 10.30485934 96519.02
net.osmand.plus 1GRgEnKujorJJ9VBa76g8cp3sfoWtQqSs4 8.49212217 79540.27
me.tripsit.tripmobile 1EDqf32gw73tc1WtgdT2FymfmDN4RyC9RN 7.00970601 65655.43
player.efis.pfd 1KKWRF25NwVgNdankr1vBphtkLbX766Ee1 5.0014 46844.91
player.efis.mfd 1KKWRF25NwVgNdankr1vBphtkLbX766Ee1 5.0014 46844.91
player.efis.data.zar.aus 1KKWRF25NwVgNdankr1vBphtkLbX766Ee1 5.0014 46844.91
player.efis.data.usa.can 1KKWRF25NwVgNdankr1vBphtkLbX766Ee1 5.0014 46844.91
player.efis.data.sah.jap 1KKWRF25NwVgNdankr1vBphtkLbX766Ee1 5.0014 46844.91
player.efis.data.pan.arg 1KKWRF25NwVgNdankr1vBphtkLbX766Ee1 5.0014 46844.91
player.efis.data.eur.rus 1KKWRF25NwVgNdankr1vBphtkLbX766Ee1 5.0014 46844.91
player.efis.cfd 1KKWRF25NwVgNdankr1vBphtkLbX766Ee1 5.0014 46844.91
com.nutomic.zertman 1NUqm2kyaiRdssFaxYd7CQaWy4og19xH5g 5.0 46831.80
com.nutomic.ensichat 1DmU6QVGSKXGXJU1bqmmStPDNsNnYoMJB4 4.99995 46831.33
com.brentpanther.litecoinwidget 15SHnY7HC5bTxzErHDPe7wHXj1HhtDKV7z 4.29288259 40208.68
com.brentpanther.ethereumwidget 15SHnY7HC5bTxzErHDPe7wHXj1HhtDKV7z 4.29288259 40208.68
com.brentpanther.bitcoinwidget 15SHnY7HC5bTxzErHDPe7wHXj1HhtDKV7z 4.29288259 40208.68
com.brentpanther.bitcoincashwidget 15SHnY7HC5bTxzErHDPe7wHXj1HhtDKV7z 4.29288259 40208.68
im.vector.alpha 1LxowEgsquZ3UPZ68wHf8v2MDZw82dVmAE 3.65680571 34250.96
in.p1x.tanks_of_freedom 18oHovhxpevALZFcjH3mgNKB1yLi3nNFRY 3.59251169 33648.76
com.veken0m.bitcoinium 1yjDmiukhB2i1XyVw5t7hpAK4WXo32d54 3.49440553 32729.86
com.vuze.android.remote 15j7vKgJbixQFZ6AvEFw2BhtA4KG7E14JZ 2.52566983 23656.33
at.bitfire.nophonespam 1KSCy7RHztKuhW9fLLaUYqdwdC2iwbejZU 2.40361077 22513.08
at.bitfire.icsdroid 1KSCy7RHztKuhW9fLLaUYqdwdC2iwbejZU 2.40361077 22513.08
at.bitfire.gfxtablet 1KSCy7RHztKuhW9fLLaUYqdwdC2iwbejZU 2.40361077 22513.08
at.bitfire.davdroid 1KSCy7RHztKuhW9fLLaUYqdwdC2iwbejZU 2.40361077 22513.08
at.bitfire.cadroid 1KSCy7RHztKuhW9fLLaUYqdwdC2iwbejZU 2.40361077 22513.08
com.wireguard.android 1ASnTs4UjXKR8tHnLi9yG42n42hbFYV2um 2.36196229 22122.99
net.sourceforge.wifiremoteplay 1LKCFto9SQGqtcvqZxHkqDPqNjSnfMmsow 2.20225896 20627.15
net.sourceforge.opencamera 1LKCFto9SQGqtcvqZxHkqDPqNjSnfMmsow 2.20225896 20627.15
org.witness.sscphase1 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
org.torproject.android 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
org.havenapp.main 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.ripple 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.pixelknot 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.otr.app.im 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.orfox 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.notepadbot 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.locationprivacy 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.lildebi 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.gilga 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.courier 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.checkey 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.cacert 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
info.guardianproject.browser 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
at.or.at.plugoffairplane 1Fi5xUHiAPRKxHvyUGVFGt9extBe8Srdbk 2.00473917 18777.11
sk.baka.aedict 1KJyEutxrm3yL7chvsciMJTvXahXoWE3Pw 2.0 18732.72
byrne.utilities.pasteedroid 1L44pgmZpeMsWsd24WgN6SJjEUARG5eY6G 1.93771879 18149.37
byrne.utilities.hashpass 1L44pgmZpeMsWsd24WgN6SJjEUARG5eY6G 1.93771879 18149.37
byrne.utilities.converter 1L44pgmZpeMsWsd24WgN6SJjEUARG5eY6G 1.93771879 18149.37
com.zoffcc.applications.zanavi 1ZANav18WY8ytM7bhnAEBS3bdrTohsD9p 1.3792561 12918.61
eu.domob.shopt 1domobKsPZ5cWk2kXssD8p8ES1qffGUCm 1.30931 12263.47
eu.domob.bjtrainer 1domobKsPZ5cWk2kXssD8p8ES1qffGUCm 1.30931 12263.47
eu.domob.angulo 1domobKsPZ5cWk2kXssD8p8ES1qffGUCm 1.30931 12263.47
eu.domob.anacam 1domobKsPZ5cWk2kXssD8p8ES1qffGUCm 1.30931 12263.47
libretasks.app 193Xb3sySr2oEMuJC6bqAov444rSyVczW 1.24689782 11678.89
com.ymber.eleven 12aDckQC6YHEn75zReQWxXFCivBBNXfRjM 1.19375821 11181.17
si.modrajagoda.didi 1FU27EyocpFFhexjoakSe7Hxvf4jD2KmFh 1.05 9834.68
com.nononsenseapps.feeder 1PdmeeGxB2iktvmtkGqwUNmYq7L9tnxjwE 1.02972708 9644.79
org.projectmaxs.transport.xmpp bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.wifichange bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.wifiaccess bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.smswrite bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.smssend bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.smsread bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.smsnotify bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.shell bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.ringermode bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.phonestateread bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.notification bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.nfc bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.misc bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.locationfine bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
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org.projectmaxs.module.fileread bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.contactsread bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.clipboard bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.bluetoothadmin bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.bluetooth bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
org.projectmaxs.module.alarmset bc1qu482c0tngkcvx3q7mrm8zmuldrh2f2lrh26ym0 0.9995 9361.68
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com.eibriel.reddot 1MD8wCtnx5zqGvkY1VYPNqckAyTWDhXKzY 0.923361 8648.53
org.briarproject.briar.android 1NZCKkUCtJV2U2Y9hDb9uq8S7ksFCFGR6K 0.59356774 5559.57
eu.faircode.email 13nUbfsLUzK9Sr7ZJgDRHNR91BJMuDuJnf 0.51806696 4852.40
de.robv.android.xposed.installer 1uAEzZrfJt96UHYQheUUC8gSp2TJdwdw3 0.49531493 4639.30
org.kontalk 14vipppSvCG7VdvoYmbhKZ8DbTfv9U1QfS 0.48859802 4576.38
hashengineering.groestlcoin.wallet_test 3BCeMXVny1HbDc4NK64UZs9oFjKZdajBfx 0.48 4495.85
hashengineering.groestlcoin.wallet 3BCeMXVny1HbDc4NK64UZs9oFjKZdajBfx 0.48 4495.85
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org.mariotaku.twidere 1FHAVAzge7cj1LfCTMfnLL49DgA3mVUCuW 0.33555159 3142.90
de.gabbo.forro_lyrics 1MDjHkXQud77UJk6TqmGkjeyhmz67NfE6g 0.32967373 3087.84
org.disroot.disrootapp 1GNmDSXxpU1zaxEopKCJK2TzLh3dbZAxEA 0.32853919 3077.22
com.dfa.hubzilla_android 1GNmDSXxpU1zaxEopKCJK2TzLh3dbZAxEA 0.32853919 3077.22
com.watabou.pixeldungeon 1LyLJAzxCfieivap1yK3iCpGoUmzAnjdyK 0.30544626 2860.92
ca.pr0ps.xposed.entrustunblocker 15jv7w1AdCMkNpDaAQrPtwK3Lfxx5ggAKX 0.2981067 2792.17
ca.cmetcalfe.xposed.flatconnectivityicons 15jv7w1AdCMkNpDaAQrPtwK3Lfxx5ggAKX 0.2981067 2792.17
ca.cmetcalfe.xposed.disablebatterywarnings 15jv7w1AdCMkNpDaAQrPtwK3Lfxx5ggAKX 0.2981067 2792.17
ca.cmetcalfe.locationshare 15jv7w1AdCMkNpDaAQrPtwK3Lfxx5ggAKX 0.2981067 2792.17
eu.faircode.netguard 13vtPytVVqCwojmohAqsK61Tk4yGXSWpJK 0.28845628 2701.79
org.totschnig.myexpenses 1GCUGCSfFXzSC81ogHu12KxfUn3cShekMn 0.26904759 2520.00
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net.alegen.android.netclip 1862EpKxs4BGUM6Td2Gs83QCkVC889Eqja 0.23149008 2168.22
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com.simplemobiletools.musicplayer 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
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com.simplemobiletools.draw.pro 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
com.simplemobiletools.draw 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
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com.simplemobiletools.contacts.pro 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
com.simplemobiletools.contacts 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
com.simplemobiletools.clock 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
com.simplemobiletools.camera 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
com.simplemobiletools.calendar.pro 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
com.simplemobiletools.calendar 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
com.simplemobiletools.calculator 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
com.simplemobiletools.applauncher 19Hc8A7sWGud8sP19VXDC5a5j28UyJfpyJ 0.20711972 1939.96
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com.todobom.opennotescanner 1H5tqKZoWdqkR54PGe9w67EzBnLXHBFmt9 0.16962324 1588.75
org.libreoffice.impressremote 129jj3HiLfj3zCfqoro3sMTdovizXEdo8A 0.16380002 1534.21
org.eu.exodus_privacy.exodusprivacy 1exodusdyqXD81tS8SkcLhyFj9ioxWsaZ 0.15745937 1474.82
org.openintents.shopping 16MJeiftw9LRuvqoSH18v16kYTeNx7wJSZ 0.1507208 1411.71
org.openintents.safe 16MJeiftw9LRuvqoSH18v16kYTeNx7wJSZ 0.1507208 1411.71
org.openintents.notepad 16MJeiftw9LRuvqoSH18v16kYTeNx7wJSZ 0.1507208 1411.71
org.openintents.flashlight 16MJeiftw9LRuvqoSH18v16kYTeNx7wJSZ 0.1507208 1411.71
org.openintents.filemanager 16MJeiftw9LRuvqoSH18v16kYTeNx7wJSZ 0.1507208 1411.71
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I know this is flawed, I found it interesting nonetheless
The post which inspired this: https://www.reddit.com/fossdroid/comments/hyral2/are_there_fossdroid_apps_that_are_making_money/
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Namecoin and the future of self-sovereign digital identity.

Namecoin's motto is "Bitcoin frees money – Namecoin frees DNS, identities, and other technologies."
biolizard89 has done fantastic work on the DNS part, but let's focus on the identity use case here. Recent events have convinced me that digital identity on the internet is broken. Consider:
What was true in 1993 when cartoonist Peter Steiner wrote "On the internet, nobody knows you are a dog" is still true today. The only difference is that identity is increasingly being weaponized using AI/ML so "On the internet, nobody knows you are a bot" would perhaps be more apt.
I read the following comment from a user on slashdot yesterday:
For the time being, you can assume that this comment was written by a human being. You can click on my username, look back at my history of posts, and go, "OK, here's a bunch of posts, by a person, going back more than a decade, to the TIME BEFORE BOTS." That is, before the first year of 2020.
Since humans are likely to adopt the majority opinion, bad actors find real value in being able to control the narrative online by surrounding the reader with manufactured opinions by bots that due to advances in ML/AI are quickly becoming indistinguishable from real users. This amounts to a Sybil attack on the minds of digital content consumers and poses major threat to the integrity of our social fabric.
Apart from the recent twitter incident used for scamming, nation states have been known to create massive bot armies of fake and hijacked user accounts to try and shift the narratives regarding the Hong Kong independence protests as well as national elections. This will only increase.
Currently, our digital identity is fragmented into silo's largely controlled by government institutions and mega corporations (FAANG) based on a "Trust us" model. As recent events have proven, this is a bad model and in dire need of improvement/replacement. IMHO we need to move from "Trust us" to a "Trust but verify" model where the user is in full control of their digital identity.
Namecoin can and should play an important role in building this 'web of trust composed of self-sovereign identities" as it is neutral (no owner), permissionless and secure (merge-mined). Daniel already developed a proof of concept with NameID but what can we do to take this further?
Personally I'd like to see users create Namecoin identities and link them to their social identities (e.g. Google, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc). Then whenever they create content, they sign it with their private keys. This would allow a reader to verify the content was created by the user. Content verification would have stopped the recent twitter hack, because even if the hackers would have access to internal admin tools they would not have the private keys that the users produce valid content with. "Not your keys, not your content"
Content verification is only one part. Ideally a user would like to verify the integrity of the content creator as well. E.g. has this user passed human verification in any of the linked platforms? Does a trusted linked entity vouch for the reputation or integrity of this user (e.g. a government entity, financial entity or non-governmental organization?). This would require those platforms to allow linking of Namecoin ID with their Platform ID and allow lookup and signing of metadata provided by these platforms. (e.g. UserID Y is linked to PlatformID X and completed human verification on date Z, signed Twitter).
I image users could install an extension similar to uBlock or Privacy Badger that contains human curated blacklists and heuristics that operate on Namecoin entities to perform these checks and flag or filter content and users that fail integrity checks. This would allow a users to automatically weed out potential bots and trolls but keep full control of this process themselves, avoiding potential censorship if this task would fall on the platform owners themselves (something governments are pushing for).
We could take this even further and integrate Namecoin ID's in software and hardware devices as well. This could create chains of trust to verify the entire chain of content creation and manipulation to the final content posted on a social platform. Where every entity signs the resulting content. (E.g. camera -> photoshop -> twitter post)
Apart from signing content/messages (PGP style). Namecoin could perhaps also be used for managing identity tokens in a users 'Identity wallet'. Looking into my physical wallet this could include things like credit cards, insurance cards, government issued IDs, membership cards, transportation cards, key cards, etc. This could be done similar to 'colored coins' on Bitcoin. But would have to support some type of smart contract functionality to be useful (e.g. expiring tokens, etc).
I'm not a developer nor a technical writer, but I do think we need to think long and hard about how we can solve digital identity in a way that empowers users to trust and verify the content and identities of the peers we interact with online while also respecting privacy and preventing censorship by external parties. Namecoin could be the better path to building this web of trust, but given the current pace of AI/ML and the willingness by bad actors to weaponize it at scale against users interests we might not have much time. (Apologies for the rant!)
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Cardano: Blockchain 3.0 (Introductory article; Not a piece of investment advice)

Cardano: Blockchain 3.0 (Introductory article; Not a piece of investment advice)
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Cardano: Blockchain 3.0

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Cryptocurrencies came into existence to eliminate the need for middlemen while transacting value from one to another. Satoshi Nakamoto was able to achieve this with the help of Blockchain technology. Though it gave the world Bitcoin, it was confined just to payments and hasn’t evolved to a greater extent. Ethereum exploited the blockchain technology and introduced the revolutionary smart contracts. Though this marked the beginning of the second generation of the blockchain, some challenges were left unsettled. Cardano took a distinctive approach in fixing the persisting issues by building on the already existing things that made sense and adding sustainable features with the help of new technology and innovation. In this post, ChangeHero will introduce give you a quick summary of Cardano.
Genesis
Cardano is a decentralized blockchain aiming to build a platform for the development of DApps and verifiable smart contracts. Dubbed as the third generation of the blockchain, Cardano aims to fix the pestering problems like scalability, interoperability and sustainability. Charles Hoskinson, Ethereum’s co-founder launched Cardano in the year 2015. Additionally, three organizations support and contribute to the development of the ecosystem. Cardano Foundation, a non-profit organization based in Switzerland, oversees and supervises the development of the ecosystem. Input Output HK (IOHK) is an independent firm contracted to carry out the designing and building of the network. Finally, Emurgo is employed to boost adoption through its commercial ventures.
It is the first blockchain which is based on scientific philosophy and developed by academics and engineers around the world. Unlike the traditional cryptocurrency projects, Cardano did not start with a whitepaper, instead, it began with a set of principles. Cardano is a multi-layered protocol — Cardano Settlement Layer (CSL) used to settle transactions of ADA and functions similar to other networks for recording the transactions. The second one is called Cardano Control Layer (CCL) and used for smart contracts. This strategy of using different layers enables storing of metadata separately and strengthens the security of the network. The platform uses Haskell coding language and the smart contracts to be coded in Plutus. In addition, Marlowe, a new language, designed specifically for the freshmen in development to build financial instruments like smart contracts. These are functional programming languages which strengthen the security and accommodates for quick changes in case of future updates.
Scaling with Ouroboros
Scalability is a baffling issue that all the cryptocurrencies face. Cardano network itself was built in a layered structure to cope with the scalability issues. As explained earlier, transactions and smart contracts take place on different layers and the information will not be shared from one to another. In addition, Cardano tackles this with a modified version of Proof-of-Stake consensus called Ouroboros, a Provably Secure Proof of Stake. Unlike Bitcoin, all the nodes in Cardano are not required to have a full copy of the blockchain. Instead, a slot leader brings all these nodes together in the process of reaching a consensus. Though full nodes like Daedalus wallets can reach consensus, only slot leaders are capable of creating and adding a block to the chain. In Ouroboros, time is divided into Epochs which further sectioned into slots. These slots are short periods of time which usually last for 20 seconds. Each slot will have its own slot leader who works similar to miners and responsible for confirming the transaction and adding blocks to the chain. They can create not more than one block per slot and the transaction fees along with the block rewards of the epoch will be pooled together and distributed to these leaders and further to the stakeholders.
Theoretically, even a user holding 1 ADA can become a slot leader but the probability is quite low. At the moment, there is no accurate figure of ADA to be staked to get a chance to add the block. We’ve also been hearing that it would be somewhere between a million and two million ADA to become a slot leader. But it's clear that the higher the stake, the higher the chances of becoming a slot leader. These qualified candidates are considered electors for the next epochs. Elections will be held by a random number generation method and the owner of the coin becomes a slot leader for the next epoch. Cardano has also adopted the RINA (Recursive Inter-Network Architecture) to improve the scaling. On top of this, the team is inclined towards Partitioning in which users can have only a chunk of blockchain and aiming to achieve this through side chains.
Interoperability with Side Chains
Even in 2020, it is difficult for different blockchains to understand each other and even tougher to communicate with traditional financial services. Though cryptocurrency exchanges bridge the gap, they are vulnerable to attacks and can be influenced by regulatory policies. Cardano envisions to build the Internet of blockchain and enable users to perform cross-chain transactions with the help of side chains. Cardano supports the Kiayias, Miller and Zindros (KMZ) proofs of proofs of work to allow for the movement of funds from the CSL to CCL and other blockchains as well. Moreover, Cardano is also working on a mechanism to incorporate the Metadata into the transaction in an encrypted manner.
Sustainability
There are a ton of projects in the blockchain space. To stay alive in this red ocean, continuous innovation and a robust governance system are a must. Sustainability lies right in the core of Cardano. The ecosystem has a grants fund called Treasury. Whenever a block is added to the chain, a part of the reward will be added to the Treasury. Someone who intends to develop the platform can submit a ballot for a grant which will be decided by the stakeholders through voting. As the network grows and the transactions increase, and the funds in the treasury keeps on filling up. This results in the availability of funds all the time for the development of the network.
In addition, the network will use Liquid Democracy for governance providing more room for the stakeholders. Furthermore, the team aims to build a constitution for the protocol to avoid any unintentional hard forks. Cardano follows a timeline in the form of eras to deploy vital upgrades to the platform. On February 20, the team has successfully completed the OBFT hard fork, a pre-planned one. It is a development over the already existing consensus mechanism, Ouroboros Classic. With this planned upgrade, Cardano has begun the transition to the Shelley era which focuses on the community and decentralization.
ADA
ADA is the native cryptocurrency of the Cardano network. The sole purpose of the Cardano is to enable a true peer-to-peer payment with the help of the ADA digital currency. Simply put, ADA can be used to transact value across individuals without any middlemen. It does allow the developers to create smart contracts and also provides voting rights to the holders for governance. Furthermore, the team specifically designed the Daedalus wallet for holding and transacting ADA. Nope, not going to discuss pricing here)
Blockchain 3.0
Despite the criticism for its consensus mechanism and delays in the network upgrades, Cardano is delivering on what it promised. With all being said, Cardano is a unique project which is delivering the best by fusing in the essentials from the existing chains and adding sustainable features through innovation in a scientific approach. For the Blockchain 3.0, the best bet would be to wait for the future upgrades and witness how things unfold.
Finally, a big shoutout to the Cardano community on Reddit for their comments and feedback on the article.
Upvote and comment if you have enjoyed the article. As always, follow ChangeHero here for more of such informative and interesting articles on crypto.
Edit: Made changes as per the feedback to make the content more accurate. Edited the original article published on Medium as well. A big thanks to all of you guys.
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Bylls — the Canadian Bitcoin bill payment service by Bull Bitcoin — celebrates its 6th birthday

I sometimes find it hard to believe that it has already been 6 years since the public launch of Bylls on January 13 2014. What started out as a simple and humble “garage startup”, the world’s first Bitcoin bill payment service, evolved into so much more.
Bylls eventually became the company that people know today as Bull Bitcoin, and it is from Bylls’ UASF advocacy that sprouted the Cyphernode open-source project. I also like to think of Bylls as a “bitcoin culture” institution that served as the vanguard of the Bitcoin Maximalist and Cypherpunk movements within the Bitcoin exchange and payments industry.
Happy Birthday Bylls! 🎂

What is Bylls?

For those of you who don’t know about Bylls, here’s a short summary:

Short history of world’s first Bitcoin bill payment service

Bylls was founded in 2013 by Eric Spano, a Montreal entrepreneur part of the original Bitcoin Embassy team. Eric, one of my earliest and most influential mentors, is a true Bitcoin OG. Check out his 2014 Bitcoin Ted Talk or his 2019 Podcast on Tales From the Crypt which describes in great detail the inception of Bylls.
When Bylls was launched, I was Public Affairs Director at the Bitcoin Embassy, the world’s first physical Bitcoin hub (a 14,000 square feet building downtown Montreal). Bylls was effectively a one-man operation, with Eric doing pretty much everything himself. I wasn’t directly involved with the company, but Bylls was one of the startups in the Embassy’s incubator program, so I was helping out in various ways. My first “public appearance” in the Bitcoin industry was actually to man the Bylls booth at the Toronto Bitcoin Expo in 2014!
In 2015, Eric was offered a huge career opportunity that he couldn’t accept without stepping down from running Bylls. It was to me an inconceivable tragedy for Bitcoin to let Bylls quitely close down. For the past 2 years, whenever somebody asked me “what can you do with Bitcoin?”, I would always reply “well, for starters, you can pay all your bills in Canada, even your taxes and your credit card”. What was I going to say now?
I had just founded my company Satoshi Portal Inc. with the aim of developing a non-custodial Bitcoin exchange (which eventually became Bull Bitcoin). And so, I acquired Bylls from Eric and it immediately became the focus of all my energy. For the first year, our team consisted of only 2 people including our lead developer Arthur which is still working on Bylls features to this day. From the beginning until today, we are still 100% self-funded. We grew organically and slowly. My philosophy on entrepreneurship and startup scaling is articulated in this medium post.It has been an incredibly intense journey. I cannot think of a more challenging professional experience than being a startup founder and entrepreneur in the Bitcoin industry. The number of Bitcoin startups that have perished since is a stark reminder. Some of them sank quietly, but many went down in flames taking down their users with them. The fact that Bylls is still standing — without VC funding and with its reputation intact — is my proudest achievement.
Over the past 4 years. we completely redesigned the software, continuously adding new features, but the core of the service remained the same. Most importantly, we added the ability for users to pay any individual or business in Canada by creating a personal biller from their bank details. Previously, they were limited to Bylls’ biller list of around 9000 billers.
One of the defining moments in the history of Bylls was UASF. Bylls was one of the first Bitcoin companies to support BIP-148 for the activation of Segwit (second after Bitconic). Not only that, but we were the first to run a public BIP-148 block explorer and public UASF electrum server. We had done a “seppuku pledge” regarding BIP-148, meaning that we would only accept coins from the UASF segwit chain and would pay the Bitcoin market price for them. If UASF had failed, we would not have survived. This cemented our ideology of “skin-in-the-game”. We would never compromise on our values, no matter the cost. Our policy on forks (2017) was described here. But the jist of it is:
Satoshi Portal is a Bitcoin-only company and does not conduct any transaction in any altcoin, including altcoins that are the result of a fork of the Bitcoin blockchain and which can be spent with Bitcoin private keys. This includes, but is not limited to, the coins commonly referred to as BCash, Segwit2X, BGold, Clams and Lumens.We strongly oppose the “New York Agreement” and will under no circumstance ever recognize the Segwit2X blockchain (and BTC1 client) as Bitcoin, regardless of market response or hashing power. In the unlikely event that an overwhelming majority of the Bitcoin ecosystem migrates to the Segwit2X blockchain, Satoshi Portal will continue nevertheless to support the Bitcoin blockchain.
Following the UASF/NO2X “war” in 2017, we devoted a large prortion of ressources to building Cyphernode, an open-source project that makes it very easy for startups to build and deploy Bitcoin applies without any third-parties, using exclusively their own full nodes. We are still developing this project today and plan on actively maintaining it in the future.
It is also worth noting that Bylls has never accepted any altcoins and was one of the first company to pledge never to accept altcoins in the future, leading to what became the “Bitcoin-Only” movement. We were also the first Bitcoin exchange and payment processing company, to our knowledge, that has integrated coinjoin as part of its processes.

Unbanking yourself with Bylls

The coolest feature of Bylls is that you can pay pretty much all your expenses with Bitcoin without needing to go through a bank account. In Canada, you can obtain a credit card without having it linked to a bank account. In 2016, the last of my personal bank accounts was closed due to my activities in the Bitcoin industry. I decided not apply at another bank and try the experiment of living completely unbanked. I’m happy to report it was a success, and serves as a powerful testament for the use-cases provided by Bylls.
I really like the idea of not owning any fiat. You can pay pretty much all daily expenses with a credit card, and pay back the debt with Bitcoin. Of course you have fiat-denominated debts which conveniently tends to diminish in price over time.
You can withdraw cash from a credit card and pay it off instantly with Bylls, so you can get access to cash at any time, in any country across the world, without having a bank account. The only inconvenience is the cash advance fee.
When you have to pay larger amounts such as rent or whatever services don’t accept cash or credit card, you can find the biller in the Bylls list or ask the recipient for his banking details, the same as you would for a wire transfer.

The future of Bylls

Many people ask us if we intend to expand outside of Canada. The answer is, unequivocally, no. We will always be a Canada-only, Bitcoin-only company. That doesn’t mean that we stop working hard to improve our services. We will continue to be the first to integrate the cutting-edge Bitcoin technologies that
Here is are some of the features you can expect in 2020:
Thanks for reading! 🎂
Yours truly,
Francis
Original post here: https://medium.com/bull-bitcoin/bylls-the-canadian-bitcoin-bill-payment-service-by-bull-bitcoin-celebrates-its-6th-birthday-ef6d22acdf2a
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Trust in code, or trust in people / companies?

My opinion:
When it comes to the software I can choose to run, it matters more that I can trust the code.
Whether it is binary or source code - what matters most to me is that I have a verifiable state of it, which I have tested i.e. used practically. [1]
Programs changing under the hood is dangerous. There have been lots of recent public cases where code on public repositories has been changed maliciously, affecting a great number of downstream users. [2]
This can happen with open source or closed source (e.g. when you get your programs or parts of them delivered to you from some vendor in pure executable form).
People change their minds, they update their software, sometimes in ways that break your own (if you're a developer) or cause you harm as a user, if you depend on them. [3] This can be unintentional (bugs), or intentional (malware).
They can also be compromised in many ways. Bribery, blackmail, or other manipulation [4, 5]
Companies change owners and expand, potentially affecting their loyalties and subjecting them to new jurisdictional coercion.
While we do assign a level of trust to people and companies with whom we transact, I put it to you that when it comes to running software that needs to be secure and do what it claims, it's better not to extend much trust to the developer, but better to make them demonstrate why their code should be worthy of your trust.
In this way, you can build a library of code that you trust to keep you (and your loved ones) secure.
Paying someone money doesn't guarantee your security. Take a look at the clouds.
Notes:
[1] as an example of such binary software, one could recount a certain full disk encryption software which was later discontinued by its authors, see https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/05/truecrypt-is-not-secure-official-sourceforge-page-abruptly-warns/
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Npm_%28software%29#Notable_breakages
[3] https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/hk-en/security/news/cybercrime-and-digital-threats/hacker-infects-node-js-package-to-steal-from-bitcoin-wallets
[4] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-nsa-rsa/exclusive-nsa-infiltrated-rsa-security-more-deeply-than-thought-study-idUSBREA2U0TY20140331
[5] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/report-nsa-paid-rsa-to-make-flawed-crypto-algorithm-the-default/
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Transcript of discussion between an ASIC designer and several proof-of-work designers from #monero-pow channel on Freenode this morning

[08:07:01] lukminer contains precompiled cn/r math sequences for some blocks: https://lukminer.org/2019/03/09/oh-kay-v4r-here-we-come/
[08:07:11] try that with RandomX :P
[08:09:00] tevador: are you ready for some RandomX feedback? it looks like the CNv4 is slowly stabilizing, hashrate comes down...
[08:09:07] how does it even make sense to precompile it?
[08:09:14] mine 1% faster for 2 minutes?
[08:09:35] naturally we think the entire asic-resistance strategy is doomed to fail :) but that's a high-level thing, who knows. people may think it's great.
[08:09:49] about RandomX: looks like the cache size was chosen to make it GPU-hard
[08:09:56] looking forward to more docs
[08:11:38] after initial skimming, I would think it's possible to make a 10x asic for RandomX. But at least for us, we will only make an ASIC if there is not a total ASIC hostility there in the first place. That's better for the secret miners then.
[08:13:12] What I propose is this: we are working on an Ethash ASIC right now, and once we have that working, we would invite tevador or whoever wants to come to HK/Shenzhen and we walk you guys through how we would make a RandomX ASIC. You can then process this input in any way you like. Something like that.
[08:13:49] unless asics (or other accelerators) re-emerge on XMR faster than expected, it looks like there is a little bit of time before RandomX rollout
[08:14:22] 10x in what measure? $/hash or watt/hash?
[08:14:46] watt/hash
[08:15:19] so you can make 10 times more efficient double precisio FPU?
[08:16:02] like I said let's try to be productive. You are having me here, let's work together!
[08:16:15] continue with RandomX, publish more docs. that's always helpful.
[08:16:37] I'm trying to understand how it's possible at all. Why AMD/Intel are so inefficient at running FP calculations?
[08:18:05] midipoet ([email protected]/web/irccloud.com/x-vszshqqxwybvtsjm) has joined #monero-pow
[08:18:17] hardware development works the other way round. We start with 1) math then 2) optimization priority 3) hw/sw boundary 4) IP selection 5) physical implementation
[08:22:32] This still doesn't explain at which point you get 10x
[08:23:07] Weren't you the ones claiming "We can accelerate ProgPoW by a factor of 3x to 8x." ? I find it hard to believe too.
[08:30:20] sure
[08:30:26] so my idea: first we finish our current chip
[08:30:35] from simulation to silicon :)
[08:30:40] we love this stuff... we do it anyway
[08:30:59] now we have a communication channel, and we don't call each other names immediately anymore: big progress!
[08:31:06] you know, we russians have a saying "it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about ravines"
[08:31:12] So I need a bit more details
[08:31:16] ha ha. good!
[08:31:31] that's why I want to avoid to just make claims
[08:31:34] let's work
[08:31:40] RandomX comes in Sep/Oct, right?
[08:31:45] Maybe
[08:32:20] We need to audit it first
[08:32:31] ok
[08:32:59] we don't make chips to prove sw devs that their assumptions about hardware are wrong. especially not if these guys then promptly hardfork and move to the next wrong assumption :)
[08:33:10] from the outside, this only means that hw & sw are devaluing each other
[08:33:24] neither of us should do this
[08:33:47] we are making chips that can hopefully accelerate more crypto ops in the future
[08:33:52] signing, verifying, proving, etc.
[08:34:02] PoW is just a feature like others
[08:34:18] sech1: is it easy for you to come to Hong Kong? (visa-wise)
[08:34:20] or difficult?
[08:34:33] or are you there sometimes?
[08:34:41] It's kind of far away
[08:35:13] we are looking forward to more RandomX docs. that's the first step.
[08:35:31] I want to avoid that we have some meme "Linzhi says they can accelerate XYZ by factor x" .... "ha ha ha"
[08:35:37] right? we don't want that :)
[08:35:39] doc is almost finished
[08:35:40] What docs do you need? It's described pretty good
[08:35:41] so I better say nothing now
[08:35:50] we focus on our Ethash chip
[08:36:05] then based on that, we are happy to walk interested people through the design and what else it can do
[08:36:22] that's a better approach from my view than making claims that are laughed away (rightfully so, because no silicon...)
[08:36:37] ethash ASIC is basically a glorified memory controller
[08:36:39] sech1: tevador said something more is coming (he just did it again)
[08:37:03] yes, some parts of RandomX are not described well
[08:37:10] like dataset access logic
[08:37:37] RandomX looks like progpow for CPU
[08:37:54] yes
[08:38:03] it is designed to reflect CPU
[08:38:34] so any ASIC for it = CPU in essence
[08:39:04] of course there are still some things in regular CPU that can be thrown away for RandomX
[08:40:20] uncore parts are not used, but those will use very little power
[08:40:37] except for memory controller
[08:41:09] I'm just surprised sometimes, ok? let me ask: have you designed or taped out an asic before? isn't it risky to make assumptions about things that are largely unknown?
[08:41:23] I would worry
[08:41:31] that I get something wrong...
[08:41:44] but I also worry like crazy that CNv4 will blow up, where you guys seem to be relaxed
[08:42:06] I didn't want to bring up anything RandomX because CNv4 is such a nailbiter... :)
[08:42:15] how do you guys know you don't have asics in a week or two?
[08:42:38] we don't have experience with ASIC design, but RandomX is simply designed to exactly fit CPU capabilities, which is the best you can do anyways
[08:43:09] similar as ProgPoW did with GPUs
[08:43:14] some people say they want to do asic-resistance only until the vast majority of coins has been issued
[08:43:21] that's at least reasonable
[08:43:43] yeah but progpow totally will not work as advertised :)
[08:44:08] yeah, I've seen that comment about progpow a few times already
[08:44:11] which is no surprise if you know it's just a random sales story to sell a few more GPUs
[08:44:13] RandomX is not permanent, we are expecting to switch to ASIC friendly in a few years if possible
[08:44:18] yes
[08:44:21] that makes sense
[08:44:40] linzhi-sonia: how so? will it break or will it be asic-able with decent performance gains?
[08:44:41] are you happy with CNv4 so far?
[08:45:10] ah, long story. progpow is a masterpiece of deception, let's not get into it here.
[08:45:21] if you know chip marketing it makes more sense
[08:45:24] linzhi-sonia: So far? lol! a bit early to tell, don't you think?
[08:45:35] the diff is coming down
[08:45:41] first few hours looked scary
[08:45:43] I remain skeptical: I only see ASICs being reasonable if they are already as ubiquitous as smartphones
[08:45:46] yes, so far so good
[08:46:01] we kbew the diff would not come down ubtil affter block 75
[08:46:10] yes
[08:46:22] but first few hours it looks like only 5% hashrate left
[08:46:27] looked
[08:46:29] now it's better
[08:46:51] the next worry is: when will "unexplainable" hashrate come back?
[08:47:00] you hope 2-3 months? more?
[08:47:05] so give it another couple of days. will probably overshoot to the downside, and then rise a bit as miners get updated and return
[08:47:22] 3 months minimum turnaround, yes
[08:47:28] nah
[08:47:36] don't underestimate asicmakers :)
[08:47:54] you guys don't get #1 priority on chip fabs
[08:47:56] 3 months = 90 days. do you know what is happening in those 90 days exactly? I'm pretty sure you don't. same thing as before.
[08:48:13] we don't do any secret chips btw
[08:48:21] 3 months assumes they had a complete design ready to go, and added the last minute change in 1 day
[08:48:24] do you know who is behind the hashrate that is now bricked?
[08:48:27] innosilicon?
[08:48:34] hyc: no no, and no. :)
[08:48:44] hyc: have you designed or taped out a chip before?
[08:48:51] yes, many years ago
[08:49:10] then you should know that 90 days is not a fixed number
[08:49:35] sure, but like I said, other makers have greater demand
[08:49:35] especially not if you can prepare, if you just have to modify something, or you have more programmability in the chip than some people assume
[08:50:07] we are chipmakers, we would never dare to do what you guys are doing with CNv4 :) but maybe that just means you are cooler!
[08:50:07] and yes, programmability makes some aspect of turnaround easier
[08:50:10] all fine
[08:50:10] I hope it works!
[08:50:28] do you know who is behind the hashrate that is now bricked?
[08:50:29] inno?
[08:50:41] we suspect so, but have no evidence
[08:50:44] maybe we can try to find them, but we cannot spend too much time on this
[08:50:53] it's probably not so much of a secret
[08:51:01] why should it be, right?
[08:51:10] devs want this cat-and-mouse game? devs get it...
[08:51:35] there was one leak saying it's innosilicon
[08:51:36] so you think 3 months, ok
[08:51:43] inno is cool
[08:51:46] good team
[08:51:49] IP design house
[08:51:54] in Wuhan
[08:52:06] they send their people to conferences with fake biz cards :)
[08:52:19] pretending to be other companies?
[08:52:26] sure
[08:52:28] ha ha
[08:52:39] so when we see them, we look at whatever card they carry and laugh :)
[08:52:52] they are perfectly suited for secret mining games
[08:52:59] they made at most $6 million in 2 months of mining, so I wonder if it was worth it
[08:53:10] yeah. no way to know
[08:53:15] but it's good that you calculate!
[08:53:24] this is all about cost/benefit
[08:53:25] then you also understand - imagine the value of XMR goes up 5x, 10x
[08:53:34] that whole "asic resistance" thing will come down like a house of cards
[08:53:41] I would imagine they sell immediately
[08:53:53] the investor may fully understand the risk
[08:53:57] the buyer
[08:54:13] it's not healthy, but that's another discussion
[08:54:23] so mid-June
[08:54:27] let's see
[08:54:49] I would be susprised if CNv4 ASICs show up at all
[08:54:56] surprised*
[08:54:56] why?
[08:55:05] is only an economic question
[08:55:12] yeah should be interesting. FPGAs will be near their limits as well
[08:55:16] unless XMR goes up a lot
[08:55:19] no, not *only*. it's also a technology question
[08:55:44] you believe CNv4 is "asic resistant"? which feature?
[08:55:53] it's not
[08:55:59] cnv4 = Rabdomx ?
[08:56:03] no
[08:56:07] cnv4=cryptinight/r
[08:56:11] ah
[08:56:18] CNv4 is the one we have now, I think
[08:56:21] since yesterday
[08:56:30] it's plenty enough resistant for current XMR price
[08:56:45] that may be, yes!
[08:56:55] I look at daily payouts. XMR = ca. 100k USD / day
[08:57:03] it can hold until October, but it's not asic resistant
[08:57:23] well, last 24h only 22,442 USD :)
[08:57:32] I think 80 h/s per watt ASICs are possible for CNv4
[08:57:38] linzhi-sonia where do you produce your chips? TSMC?
[08:57:44] I'm cruious how you would expect to build a randomX ASIC that outperforms ARM cores for efficiency, or Intel cores for raw speed
[08:57:48] curious
[08:58:01] yes, tsmc
[08:58:21] Our team did the world's first bitcoin asic, Avalon
[08:58:25] and upcoming 2nd gen Ryzens (64-core EPYC) will be a blast at RandomX
[08:58:28] designed and manufactured
[08:58:53] still being marketed?
[08:59:03] linzhi-sonia: do you understand what xmr wants to achieve, community-wise?
[08:59:14] Avalon? as part of Canaan Creative, yes I think so.
[08:59:25] there's not much interesting oing on in SHA256
[08:59:29] Inge-: I would think so, but please speak
[08:59:32] hyc: yes
[09:00:28] linzhi-sonia: i am curious to hear your thoughts. I am fairly new to this space myself...
[09:00:51] oh
[09:00:56] we are grandpas, and grandmas
[09:01:36] yet I have no problem understanding why ASICS are currently reviled.
[09:01:48] xmr's main differentiators to, let's say btc, are anonymity and fungibility
[09:01:58] I find the client terribly slow btw
[09:02:21] and I think the asic-forking since last may is wrong, doesn't create value and doesn't help with the project objectives
[09:02:25] which "the client" ?
[09:02:52] Monero GUI client maybe
[09:03:12] MacOS, yes
[09:03:28] What exactly is slow?
[09:03:30] linzhi-sonia: I run my own node, and use the CLI and Monerujo. Have not had issues.
[09:03:49] staying in sync
[09:03:49] linzhi-sonia: decentralization is also a key principle
[09:03:56] one that Bitcoin has failed to maintain
[09:04:39] hmm
[09:05:00] looks fairly decentralized to me. decentralization is the result of 3 goals imo: resilient, trustless, permissionless
[09:05:28] don't ask a hardware maker about physical decentralization. that's too ideological. we focus on logical decentralization.
[09:06:11] physical decentralization is important. with bulk of bitnoin mining centered on Chinese hydroelectric dams
[09:06:19] have you thought about including block data in the PoW?
[09:06:41] yes, of course.
[09:07:39] is that already in an algo?
[09:08:10] hyc: about "centered on chinese hydro" - what is your source? the best paper I know is this: https://coinshares.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Mining-Whitepaper-Final.pdf
[09:09:01] linzhi-sonia: do you mine on your ASICs before you sell them?
[09:09:13] besides testing of course
[09:09:45] that paper puts Chinese btc miners at 60% max
[09:10:05] tevador: I think everybody learned that that is not healthy long-term!
[09:10:16] because it gives the chipmaker a cost advantage over its own customers
[09:10:33] and cost advantage leads to centralization (physical and logical)
[09:10:51] you guys should know who finances progpow and why :)
[09:11:05] but let's not get into this, ha ha. want to keep the channel civilized. right OhGodAGirl ? :)
[09:11:34] tevador: so the answer is no! 100% and definitely no
[09:11:54] that "self-mining" disease was one of the problems we have now with asics, and their bad reputation (rightfully so)
[09:13:08] I plan to write a nice short 2-page paper or so on our chip design process. maybe it's interesting to some people here.
[09:13:15] basically the 5 steps I mentioned before, from math to physical
[09:13:32] linzhi-sonia: the paper you linked puts 48% of bitcoin mining in Sichuan. the total in China is much more than 60%
[09:13:38] need to run it by a few people to fix bugs, will post it here when published
[09:14:06] hyc: ok! I am just sharing the "best" document I know today. it definitely may be wrong and there may be a better one now.
[09:14:18] hyc: if you see some reports, please share
[09:14:51] hey I am really curious about this: where is a PoW algo that puts block data into the PoW?
[09:15:02] the previous paper I read is from here http://hackingdistributed.com/2018/01/15/decentralization-bitcoin-ethereum/
[09:15:38] hyc: you said that already exists? (block data in PoW)
[09:15:45] it would make verification harder
[09:15:49] linzhi-sonia: https://the-eye.eu/public/Books/campdivision.com/PDF/Computers%20General/Privacy/bitcoin/meh/hashimoto.pdf
[09:15:51] but for chips it would be interesting
[09:15:52] we discussed the possibility about a year ago https://www.reddit.com/Monero/comments/8bshrx/what_we_need_to_know_about_proof_of_work_pow/
[09:16:05] oh good links! thanks! need to read...
[09:16:06] I think that paper by dryja was original
[09:17:53] since we have a nice flow - second question I'm very curious about: has anyone thought about in-protocol rewards for other functions?
[09:18:55] we've discussed micropayments for wallets to use remote nodes
[09:18:55] you know there is a lot of work in other coins about STARK provers, zero-knowledge, etc. many of those things very compute intense, or need to be outsourced to a service (zether). For chipmakers, in-protocol rewards create an economic incentive to accelerate those things.
[09:19:50] whenever there is an in-protocol reward, you may get the power of ASICs doing something you actually want to happen
[09:19:52] it would be nice if there was some economic reward for running a fullnode, but no one has come up with much more than that afaik
[09:19:54] instead of fighting them off
[09:20:29] you need to use asics, not fight them. that's an obvious thing to say for an asicmaker...
[09:20:41] in-protocol rewards can be very powerful
[09:20:50] like I said before - unless the ASICs are so useful they're embedded in every smartphone, I dont see them being a positive for decentralization
[09:21:17] if they're a separate product, the average consumer is not going to buy them
[09:21:20] now I was talking about speedup of verifying, signing, proving, etc.
[09:21:23] they won't even know what they are
[09:22:07] if anybody wants to talk about or design in-protocol rewards, please come talk to us
[09:22:08] the average consumer also doesn't use general purpose hardware to secure blockchains either
[09:22:14] not just for PoW, in fact *NOT* for PoW
[09:22:32] it requires sw/hw co-design
[09:23:10] we are in long-term discussions/collaboration over this with Ethereum, Bitcoin Cash. just talk right now.
[09:23:16] this was recently published though suggesting more uptake though I guess https://btcmanager.com/college-students-are-the-second-biggest-miners-of-cryptocurrency/
[09:23:29] I find it pretty hard to believe their numbers
[09:24:03] well
[09:24:09] sorry, original article: https://www.pcmag.com/news/366952/college-kids-are-using-campus-electricity-to-mine-crypto
[09:24:11] just talk, no? rumors
[09:24:18] college students are already more educated than the average consumer
[09:24:29] we are not seeing many such customers anymore
[09:24:30] it's data from cisco monitoring network traffic
[09:24:33] and they're always looking for free money
[09:24:48] of course anyone with "free" electricity is inclined to do it
[09:24:57] but look at the rates, cannot make much money
[09:26:06] Ethereum is a bloated collection of bugs wrapped in a UI. I suppose they need all the help they can get
[09:26:29] Bitcoin Cash ... just another get rich quick scheme
[09:26:38] hmm :)
[09:26:51] I'll give it back to you, ok? ha ha. arrogance comes before the fall...
[09:27:17] maye we should have a little fun with CNv4 mining :)
[09:27:25] ;)
[09:27:38] come on. anyone who has watched their track record... $75M lost in ETH at DAO hack
[09:27:50] every smart contract that comes along is just waiting for another hack
[09:27:58] I just wanted to throw out the "in-protocol reward" thing, maybe someone sees the idea and wants to cowork. maybe not. maybe it's a stupid idea.
[09:29:18] linzhi-sonia: any thoughts on CN-GPU?
[09:29:55] CN-GPU has one positive aspect - it wastes chip area to implement all 18 hash algorithms
[09:30:19] you will always hear roughly the same feedback from me:
[09:30:52] "This algorithm very different, it heavy use floating point operations to hurt FPGAs and general purpose CPUs"
[09:30:56] the problem is, if it's profitable for people to buy ASIC miners and mine, it's always more profitable for the manufacturer to not sell and mine themselves
[09:31:02] "hurt"
[09:31:07] what is the point of this?
[09:31:15] it totally doesn't work
[09:31:24] you are hurting noone, just demonstrating lack of ability to think
[09:31:41] what is better: algo designed for chip, or chip designed for algo?
[09:31:43] fireice does it on daily basis, CN-GPU is a joke
[09:31:53] tevador: that's not really true, especially in a market with such large price fluctuations as cryptocurrency
[09:32:12] it's far less risky to sell miners than mine with them and pray that price doesn't crash for next six months
[09:32:14] I think it's great that crypto has a nice group of asicmakers now, hw & sw will cowork well
[09:32:36] jwinterm yes, that's why they premine them and sell after
[09:32:41] PoW is about being thermodynamically and cryptographically provable
[09:32:45] premining with them is taking on that risk
[09:32:49] not "fork when we think there are asics"
[09:32:51] business is about risk minimization
[09:32:54] that's just fear-driven
[09:33:05] Inge-: that's roughly the feedback
[09:33:24] I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I think it's not so simple as saying "it always happens"
[09:34:00] jwinterm: it has certainly happened on BTC. and also on XMR.
[09:34:19] ironically, please think about it: these kinds of algos indeed prove the limits of the chips they were designed for. but they don't prove that you cannot implement the same algo differently! cannot!
[09:34:26] Risk minimization is not starting a business at all.
[09:34:34] proof-of-gpu-limit. proof-of-cpu-limit.
[09:34:37] imagine you have a money printing machine, would you sell it?
[09:34:39] proves nothing for an ASIC :)
[09:35:05] linzhi-sonia: thanks. I dont think anyone believes you can't make a more efficient cn-gpu asic than a gpu - but that it would not be orders of magnitude faster...
[09:35:24] ok
[09:35:44] like I say. these algos are, that's really ironic, designed to prove the limitatios of a particular chip in mind of the designer
[09:35:50] exactly the wrong way round :)
[09:36:16] like the cache size in RandomX :)
[09:36:18] beautiful
[09:36:29] someone looked at GPU designs
[09:37:31] linzhi-sonia can you elaborate? Cache size in RandomX was selected to fit CPU cache
[09:37:52] yes
[09:38:03] too large for GPU
[09:38:11] as I said, we are designing the algorithm to exactly fit CPU capabilities, I do not claim an ASIC cannot be more efficient
[09:38:16] ok!
[09:38:29] when will you do the audit?
[09:38:35] will the results be published in a document or so?
[09:38:37] I claim that single-chip ASIC is not viable, though
[09:39:06] you guys are brave, noone disputes that. 3 anti-asic hardforks now!
[09:39:18] 4th one coming
[09:39:31] 3 forks were done not only for this
[09:39:38] they had scheduled updates in the first place
[09:48:10] Monero is the #1 anti-asic fighter
[09:48:25] Monero is #1 for a lot of reasons ;)
[09:48:40] It's the coin with the most hycs.
[09:48:55] mooooo
[09:59:06] sneaky integer overflow, bug squished
[10:38:00] p0nziph0ne ([email protected]/vpn/privateinternetaccess/p0nziph0ne) has joined #monero-pow
[11:10:53] The convo here is wild
[11:12:29] it's like geo-politics at the intersection of software and hardware manufacturing for thermoeconomic value.
[11:13:05] ..and on a Sunday.
[11:15:43] midipoet: hw and sw should work together and stop silly games to devalue each other. to outsiders this is totally not attractive.
[11:16:07] I appreciate the positive energy here to try to listen, learn, understand.
[11:16:10] that's a start
[11:16:48] <-- p0nziph0ne ([email protected]/vpn/privateinternetaccess/p0nziph0ne) has quit (Quit: Leaving)
[11:16:54] we won't do silly mining against xmr "community" wishes, but not because we couldn'd do it, but because it's the wrong direction in the long run, for both sides
[11:18:57] linzhi-sonia: I agree to some extent. Though, in reality, there will always be divergence between social worlds. Not every body has the same vision of the future. Reaching societal consensus on reality tomorrow is not always easy
[11:20:25] absolutely. especially at a time when there is so much profit to be made from divisiveness.
[11:20:37] someone will want to make that profit, for sure
[11:24:32] Yes. Money distorts.
[11:24:47] Or wealth...one of the two
[11:26:35] Too much physical money will distort rays of light passing close to it indeed.
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BTC > DASH > BCH in Venezuela

My passion is to push real world adoption in Venezuela, I usually go and test the merchants (which are being promoted on discoverdash and marcocoino [coinmaporg is totally useless outdated data]) if they actually accept any coins and if that is the case I promote them on Bitcoin Map

DASH adoption is actually quite big in Venezuela for the simple fact, that they have been here for 1.5 years investing 100k+ into various conferences and teams working on the ground visiting the merchants.

But still BTC adoption is bigger! Most people here are doing BTC transactions via localbitcoins, which is free of tx cost as long as they keep their funds on that website. Venezuelans are very trustful people, they do not care much about a wallet being non custodial. They do not actually understand the technical details too much. Even as localbitcoins was blocked in Iran and that could easily happen to Venezuela too...

So far ALL the merchants I met do accept BTC in addition to DASH and if that was not the case, then by now I helped them to install the Coinomi Wallet which supports all the coins and I always educate them to accept BTC, DASH and BCH.

BCH adoption is very low here, even as bitcoincom paid some promoters to put the (now outdated) brand sticker of themselves on their door in addition to the BCH logo. 8 out of 10 merchants which are promoting to accept BCH do not actually do that, there was uploaded a 10 part series video proof here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dylda-3kHKs

I want to create a multi-coin environment, where everyone is free to choose which coin he would like to use, different humans have different interests but my interest is just to support any unfakeable coin!
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Need help with missing bitcoins from Ledger wallet.

0.9 bitcoins have been moved from my Ledger wallet. Transaction ID: 63d60b9089d0bb9074c43e85e0ddd05137eee96c52ce060caa931a4e6e4fe938 Ledger wallet Public Key: xpub6DNcmsc3CStHQcnfTiTgF2SkM91UfmT9SSYz49t64Zc6rnHqtuQnmxmXxDyHkL7tpqUfSsdoZ6c cWPoXHAiYeAwHGSk4NdbDivup2PGEX11https://www.blockchain.com/btc/xpub/xpub6DNcmsc3CStHQcnfTiTgF2SkM91UfmT9SSYz49t64Zc6rnHqtuQnmxmXxDyHkL7tpqUfSsdoZ6ccWPoXHAiYeAwHGSk4NdbDivup2PGEX11
These bitcoins were on a Ledger nano. They were there from 12/2017 till 06/12/2019.
I did not do the last transaction.
Nobody has access to the Ledger device. It has not been moved since the last time I used it. Nobody has access to the secret words that set up the device. They are on a piece of paper in a location separate from the device. That paper has not been moved. There are other secret words on that paper for other wallets and those wallets were not drained.
The receiving address is: bc1q9j4gmx73wxgeygwsnk93lamxejr44lr0fak0az. https://blockstream.info/address/bc1q9j4gmx73wxgeygwsnk93lamxejr44lr0fak0azFrom there they were joined with many other bitcoins and spent into many various addresses. This is a new bc1 address. The blockchain.com explorer does not recognize it.
The last transaction I did was: 890eb8e61d383e98b2e1acf4ce22ffd889c08ce23cf171e59946457217fcb000. This was a move of 0.12167207 bitcoins from a Coinbase account to my Ledger wallet.
Does anyone have an idea of what happened?
Until I can figure out what happened I am not going to trust Ledger wallets.
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I am stepping down as a moderator of r/btc and exiting the bitcoin community and entering the Ethereum community.

I am stepping down as a moderator of btc and exiting the bitcoin community. Thank you all for fighting until the end. I know I am going to get a lot of hate from pretty much everyone for this post, but I felt the need to post it anyway.

Why Give Up?

I think bitcoin is past the point of no return. There are a number of different routes that bitcoin could take this year, and as far as I can see, they all end up at the same destination; failure. I know I am going to get a lot of flack for this post, and I understand that. I have witnessed bitcoin being announced “dead” many many times throughout its history and I absolutely could be wrong, but almost every one of their predictions were based on a lack of understanding of bitcoin. I don’t feel my prediction is has a lack of understanding. If I am wrong, then I feel it will be through sheer luck that bitcoin survives. I was a bitcoin early adopter in 2011 and have invested far more time into bitcoin than is reasonable. I truly hope bitcoin does survive, but what I think will happen is not predicated on what I want to happen.

How might bitcoin fall?

The Past

I am not going to go through everything that has lead us up to this point. Many of your are well aware of what has brought us here. Bitcoin up until the beginning of 2014 was an unparalleled success. For those of you who weren’t around at the time, there was a huge amount of excitement in the community at all times. It felt like every month there was some announcement that had a positive impact on bitcoin. A new major company offering bitcoin payments, a bitcoin company offering a new service, a new piece of software being added to clients to make them more useful. Bitcoin was making continual progress and the community was unified. Compare the situation back then to day. We have now had 2 years of stagnation, and in many cases degradation of the network.

The Present

The network is now slow and expensive (and getting slower and more expensive), companies have been leaving bitcoin at an exponential rate. No new major companies have adopted bitcoin and there are no signs of this changing in the future. The community is irreparably divided and is at war with itself. Development has stalled.
Where bitcoin has stalled, other cryptocurrencies have been making enormous ground. Bitcoin does not exist in a vacuum. It has competition. Other cryptocurrencies already offer significantly more advance features than bitcoin. The only thing bitcoin has left over other cryptocurrencies is it’s network effect. The inertia of network effect is truly enormous. Bitcoin has been coasting on it for 2 years now. Technology develops rapidly though, and many people are always looking for the next big thing. Investors want to make money and developers want to work on the most advance and growing technology. There has been very little investment into new bitcoin specific companies over the past 2 years. The only new bitcoin company I know of that has received significant investment in the past two years is Blockstream. There has been a very large amount of investment into blockchain companies in general though. The money is there, it’s just not going into bitcoin.
Ethereum has now reached close to 1/3 of bitcoin’s market cap and there is no sign that it is going to let up any time soon. The ethereum community is a breath of fresh air compared to the current bitcoin community and it feels very nostalgic there. It feels very much like the bitcoin community did 3-4 years ago. They have showed that they are not afraid of using hard forks to upgrade the protocol. They have a leader who is intelligent, pragmatic and good at communicating and IMO who is likely to get the network through the early volatile years. The community showed that they value pragmatism and reality over ideology when they stopped a theft of a large percentage of the currency supply and did so without having any adverse affects on anyone other than the thief. They also achieved this while under attack from bitcoin. They have been working with major organisations and companies to promote and forward the use of the network and they listen to the users of the network to find out what problems they have and which features they want, and then work towards satisfying the needs of their users. The developers of the network have known large holdings of the currency, which means conflicts of interest are less likely to arise and protocol development can directly correlate increased returns for the developer’s investment.

The Future

There are a number of possibilities, but I believe all end with very similar outcomes.

Scenario 1 - BU/EC gains 75% of the network hash rate

If BU gains 75% of the network hash rate, a hard fork will become likely (although not certain). Core and their supporters will start to try and burn down the network. All communication channels will overflow with FUD (some real, some fake). Core supporters with large bitcoin holdings will start dumping them on the market in ways that will cause the most damage to price. Core will start recommending at the very minimum a difficulty readjustment and quite likely also a POW change. Price will fall extremely far as speculators adjust their risk exposure and wait out the storm, traders will short the market to make as much money as possible during the fall, and core supporters try to get the BTC price to go as low as possible on the BU/EC side of the fork and BU/EC supporters try to get the price to BCC price to go as low as possible. Whatever the price is before the fork is certain, I think it is likely to reach 50% of that between the time a fork becomes certain and when the fork actually happens. After the fork happens the price could go down to literally any level. While this is happening, the Ethereum market cap is going to overtake bitcoin even if the Ethereum price does not increase (which it will). Bitcoin will not survive this. The moment Ethereum overtakes bitcoin as the biggest cryptocurrency, everyone will find out. It will be posted in articles in every technology news website on the internet. Once the casual bitcoin holders/users find out (hint most do not even pay attention to what is going on in bitcoin) they will quickly panic and either sell to fiat, or sell into Ethereum to speculate. Mining will almost instantly become unprofitable at that point. Monumentally unprofitable in fact. The payout of 12.5 per block will not even slightly cover the cost of electricity and because miners have no direct control over the price of bitcoin they will be absolutely powerless to do anything other than mine at a loss for a very long period of time. If bitcoin price drops to $100, which IMO is very conservative, then it is likely that 90% of the miners will have to turn their hardware off. This means that the difficulty adjustment periods will increase by a factor of 10 to 20 weeks. These miners that are left will need to mine at a huge loss for up to 20 weeks, or hope that somehow the price recovers. I don’t think even the biggest miners could survive that. Further difficulty reset hard forks will be proposed and it will be chaos.
While all of this is happening, Ethereum is likely to be running fine and price will likely be rising significantly as money from bitcoin pours into it.

Scenario 2 - BU/EC never gains 75% of the network hash rate

In this scenario there will be absolutely stalemate. Core will not be able to implement Segwit and therefore will not be able to change bitcoin into a settlement network, but also the transaction throughput will not be increased through larger blocks. The debate will have become so vitriolic that no further progress can be made within bitcoin. Bitcoin simply will not scale on OR off-chain. In this scenario the end is not so violent like in scenario 1 but then end result is the same. Ethereum (and other cryptocurrencies in general) will continue to gain market share throughout the year as Bitcoin remains stuck in stalemate. The bitcoin price continues decreasing and the Ethereum price keeps on increasing until Ethereum overtakes bitcoin. Once the flip happens, it will accelerate significantly as people realise what is happening. The end result is the same as the later part of scenario 1.

Scenario 3 - BU/EC lose most/all of the network hash rate

In this scenario Core manages to get Segwit accepted by the network. Most people in btc simply leave bitcoin for good. Fees will remain high and transaction throughput low. Core will not increase the block size limit until after LN has been proven to work and users have been forced/coerced into using it. LN is not anywhere near ready for production and it is likely to take at least 2 more years until it is released and working and another year or two until it is fully implemented into wallets, and then another year until businesses are able to understand and use it in their backend. I.e. in an ideal world where everything works as intended in this theoretical system it will take 4-5 years until bitcoin has similar properties to what it had 2 years ago. This obviously ignores the fact that there has been no analysis on whether this would even work on an economic level, let alone a technological level.
As transaction fees rise users and business will be pushed into using other cryptocurrencies and fiat and at some point bitcoin’s network effect will be overcome by Ethereum’s. This scenario is essentially the same as scenario 3, but there maybe some initial price pump when Segwit activates and people enjoy and end to the debate. This will likely be short lived though.

What is most likely to happen (IMO)

If BU/EC is to continue to gain further market share of the hash rate and reach the 75% requirement that many parties have suggested. It is likely to take at least a couple more months of deliberations. For this to happen, a number of large pools will need to switch over. Bitfury has stated that they will not support BU and are mining Segwit and have even started mining UASF blocks. HaoBTC is still sticking to the HK agreement (which literally no one else is) and will not be running anything other than Core. This means it is really down to F2Pool and some of the smaller Pools. F2Pool has stated that it will stop signalling for classic and there is no indication that it will start signalling for anything other than Core (not segwit), and has stated that he thinks BU is dead.
This suggests that the most likely scenario is scenario 2. BU/EC will not activate, but nor will Segwit. There are some things that may or may not happen in this scenario. For example it seems that Core are willing to do a UASF to push Segwit through under the pretence that any of the miners that are not mining Segwit are illegitimate as they are against the “consensus”. This will force the miners into making some kind of decision either way. Many are likely to side with Core but I think a significant portion will side with BU initially. A number of different things could happen in this scenario depending on the ratio of hash power on each side of the split. If the split is mostly equal, I expect that two coins will survive for some amount of time. What happens with bitcoin from that point I have no idea. If BU/EC gains the most hash power then the debate will rage on as the BU/EC will refuse to attack the minority chain out of moral reasons. What happens with bitcoin from that point I have no idea. If Core gains the majority share then the BU minority chain will be attacked by some of the majority miners. Core and their supporters do not have any moral objections against this kind of attack. The minority BU miners will then switch back to Core and it will likely play out like in scenario 3.

So this is BU’s fault for forcing a hard fork?

No, this is Core’s fault by making a hard fork dangerous by telling everyone a hard fork is dangerous for the past two years and blocking every conceivable compromise. They have petrified the bitcoin community and convinced them that any kind of hard fork for any reason that does not come from them is dangerous. They have done this to hold onto the power they should not even have in the first place. They have become the self appointed kings of bitcoin. They have achieved this by threatening to burn down the network instead of making a compromise, and by attacking anyone who threatens to take this power away from them. Unfortunately, when Gavin stepped down, he handed to keys to the bitcoin house to the wolves and once they are inside, it seems it is not possible to get them out again. The only way to make them totally irrelevant is to exit and let them be kings of nothing.

Why did you even become a mod in the first place?

I have known bitcoin was on a negative trajectory for quite some time but I felt that one last push to save it was worth my effort. I wanted to help btc be the best bitcoin subreddit to overcome some of the damage that bitcoin has done to the community. IMO btc is the best bitcoin subreddit, but it is far from perfect. I feel very strongly that the moderation of btc is a microcosm of the situation in the bitcoin community in general. I feel there is far too much weight put on idealogical decision making rather pragmatism and realism. The moderation policies of btc are ‘hands-off’ to a point I think is actually detrimental to the sub and to bitcoin. The issue is that, trolls overwhelm the sub and cause constant controversy. They act like a fire under the community and purposely rile everyone up. There is a reason for this. bitcoin was controlled mostly through censorship. Censorship alone was enough to create an echo chamber. They do not have control of the btc moderation team (well actually they managed to get two mods on here who have since left/been removed) so they must turn it into an echo-chamber by other means. They have achieved this by making sure every single post has comments from trolls that try to rile up the community. This makes the btc community have more tunnel vision as they/we try to insulate ourselves from the trolls. The problem is that it means that the community becomes highly idealogical and focused on only one goal.
IMO it is a failure of this sub to not remove comments from trolls. This is pretty much a standard policy across the whole of reddit and the only reasons for not employing it are idealogical. Removing trolling is not the same as banning specific ideas or topics being genuinely discussed. Not doing so just makes btc a frustrating place to try and discuss things. It also means that any actual discussions outside the block size debate get very little traction as everyone gets dragged into the angry posts.
I should be clear though, the other mods of this sub are great and absolutely want what is best for bitcoin.

Isn’t this all just FUD

I am not writing this to sway anyone. This is what I genuinely think will happen, but of course I could be wrong about every single prediction. It saddens me enormously to write this. The current trajectory for Bitcoin is down and the the trajectory for Ethereum and other cryptocurrencies is up. There will likely be people who say “but Ethereum doesn’t have any uses cases”, my argument to that is; what use-cases does bitcoin have right now that could not immediately be adopted by Ethereum today? There will also be people who say “but if bitcoin dies then all other cryptocurrencies will die with it, because how could anyone trust their money if it might just disappear”? My argument to that is; all cryptocurrencies are still in their infancy, even bitcoin. The writing has been on the wall for Bitcoin for quite some time. I do think there will likely be one ‘great’ cryptocurrency, but until that cryptocurrency is adopted by the masses, that title is still available. If the title of ‘biggest cryptocurrency’ can be taken then it was likely never meant to have it very long anyway. If/When a cryptocurrency manages to achieve mass adoption then it will have hundreds of millions of people, companies, organisations and even countries defending it. At that point the entire system will be working towards it’s success. At that point, the current moral ambivalence towards attacking a minority chain will be seen as ridiculous. After mass adoption of a cryptocurrency (for example Ethereum) has occurred, grandma’s will be writing to their local MP in support of the cyberwar against the Ethereum competitor ‘Othereum’. That is decentralisation. Huge numbers of diverse entities working to defend it. This will never happen on a network as limited as bitcoin’s is. In fact bitcoin is actively losing allies.

TL/DR

I’m out. Ethereum is likely to take over this year as bitcoin becomes myspace. This may happen very rapidly. I hope I am wrong.

Disclosure:

I hold both Bitcoin and Ethereum. I have held a number of different cryptocurrencies over the years, but my holdings were almost always 90-100% bitcoin until recently.
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